Day 7, starting with lawyers' arguments about witnesses learning
what's been said in court the previous day. The issue will have to be decided
by Judge Nathan.
Maxwell's lawyer Menninger: My request is to find out what was
communication to him by Jane, before he gets on the stand in front of the jury.
He was shown a document Jane was asked about.
Judge Nathan: Which one?
Menninger: The Interlochen [school] application
Assistant US Attorney: Jane told him, The defense lawyer is an
expletive.
Menninger: But what else did she tell him?
Judge Nathan: He shouldn't testify until after lunch.
And now, what else, a sealed sidebar discussion, not public now
nor apparently ever.
OK, jury is in and AUSA Maurene Comey continues
direct examination of FBI witness about search of Epstein's Manhattan mansion.
AUSA Comey: Who do we see in this photograph?
FBI witness: Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine
Maxwell.
AUSA Maurene Comey: Now let's turn to the
[non-public] binder. What is it?
FBI witness: A photo from the investigation.
AUSA Comey: We offer it under seal.
Judge Nathan: It is sealed.
Next US witness is Stephen Flatley, FBI "CART"
coordinator, digital forensic examiner and Quantico instructor.
AUSA: What is this?
Flatley: A hard drive I examined in this case.
AUSA: What is the "registered organization" for this
computer hard drive?
FBI's Flatley: GMax.
AUSA: And this e-mail?
Flatley: From gmax1 [at] mindspring dot com. She says, I need to
know what list John is using. No water in black Merc. No pens. Pool deck filthy
Flatley: GMax wrote, The massage creams in J.E.'s bathroom were
a mess.
AUSA: We offer Exhibit 418 under seal.
Judge Nathan: Admitted under seal.
AUSA Pomerantz: And this document?
FBI's Flatley: It's by G-Max. It is about
"massage lotion products." [For those asking, it's dated Sept 7, 2002]
Now Flatley is reading notes about Ghislaine, written by...
GMax, including "Jeffrey and Ghislaine really complement each other, they
are great partners." Also, "they are boyfriend and girlfriend unlike
what some may think."
AUSA Pomerantz: No further questions.
Now the cross examination.
Maxwell's lawyer Laura Menninger: You don't know if anything was
changed in the course of the copying, do you?
FBI's Flatley: I suppose I don't.
Menninger: And could you find out if GMax was in the same place
as the computer?
And with a whimper and not a bang, Flatley is done.
Judge Nathan: Members of the jury, we'll take our mid-morning
break.
Next witness: survivor Carolyn, testifying by
first name only
Assistant US Attorney: Carolyn, how far did you go in school?
Carolyn: Seventh grade. My mother was an alcoholic. I got
introduced to Mr. Epstein to give him a massage. I said OK.
AUSA: How old were you?
Carolyn: Fourteen (14)
AUSA: Who greeted you?
Carolyn: Ms. Maxwell.
AUSA: What did she look like?
Carolyn: An older lady. With an English accent. I couldn't
pronounce her first name correctly so I called her Maxwell.
AUSA: How much money did you get?
Carolyn: $300, in hundreds.
AUSA: How much did Virginia Roberts [Giuffre]
get?
Carolyn: I don't know.... Maxwell asked me for
my phone number.
AUSA: What would Maxwell ask you when she called?
Carolyn: If I'd be available when they flew in. They asked me to
travel overseas. I said there was no way my mother would say OK.
AUSA: Did you tell Maxwell how old you were?
Carolyn: I told her I was fourteen.
Carolyn: Maxwell came in and felt my boobs. She
told me that I had a great body for Mr. Epstein and his friends.
AUSA: How did that relate to your breast and
hip size?
Carolyn: She said I had a great body.
[Witness sounds like she is about to cry.]
AUSA: When you were naked, who would come in
the room?
Carolyn: Mr. Epstein. First I would massage
him. He would ask about my upbringing.
AUSA: Would Ms. Maxwell ever pay you?
Carolyn: Yes. She handed me three one hundred
dollar bills.
Carolyn: Maxwell said Jeffrey wanted my address. I got sent
lingerie, concert tickets and a book called "Massage for Dummies."
AUSA: Did you bring friends to Jeffrey Epstein's house?
Carolyn: Amanda Laslow, one year older than me.
Carolyn: Also Tatum and Julie... He asked me to
bring younger people. I told him I don't hang out with younger people but there
were some people I could ask. When I bought them I got paid $600 and she got
paid $300.
AUSA: What did they do?
Carolyn: Sex and oral sex.
AUSA: What did you do
with the money they paid you?
Carolyn: I was buying
drugs.
[Now, witness is
sobbing.]
AUSA: You need to say it
into the microphone.
AUSA: Then what major event?
Carolyn: I had a baby.
AUSA: Did you go back to Jeffrey Epstein's
house?
Carolyn: Yes. I had gone there while I was
pregnant –
AUSA: I'm asking about after you had the
baby.
Carolyn: I needed the money. But I
realized I was too old.
AUSA: Did you later pawn an X-Box that
wasn't yours?
Carolyn: I did. I did jail time. Then I
did drug treatment and therapy. I take methadone and Xanax. And two others.
Carolyn: I am constantly
afraid of my children being trafficked.
AUSA: Are you in touch
with the father, Sean?
Carolyn: No, not since
the X-Box pawn shop thing.
AUSA: Have you worked for
an escort service and had sex with men for money?
Carolyn: Sometimes.
AUSA: What did Maxwell do it you?
Carolyn: She took pictures of me nude, and
the stuff with Epstein.
AUSA: Who decided who you would sue?
Maxwell's lawyer: Objection!
Judge Nathan: Sustained. [To Carolyn, who
was speaking] Don't answer, when I say Sustained.
And now, cross
examination by Maxwell's lawyer Jeffrey Pagliuca. Pag: Sean was a friend of
Virginia Roberts' boyfriend Tony, right? And you all smoked marijuana together
and drank alcohol?
Carolyn: We didn't drink
any alcohol.
Pagliuca: Virginia Roberts told you you
could make $300?
Carolyn: No.
Pag: When Roberts approached you about
making this $500, Maxwell was not there, correct?
Carolyn: It was me & Virginia.
Pag: Maxwell was not involved in the
conversation, right?
Carolyn: Right.
Alert: Ghislaine
Maxwell's lawyer Jeff Pagliuca just said the last name of this witness. Inner
City Press caught it in time and did not say it. But AUSA Comey said nothing,
nor did the Court.
Judge Nathan: We'll break here for lunch.
Members of the jury, you have your lunch. We'll break.
Pagliuca: Look at the notes the FBI took
during your interview, about a lady with short black hair and an
"unknown" accent. They didn't cut you off, correct?
Carolyn: That was a bad day for me. I was
not expecting the FBI to come to my home.
Pagliuca: You knew what a
British accent was, but you said "an unknown accent," right?
Carolyn: The day that
you're talking about –
Pagliuca: I'd ask the
Court to make her answer.
Pagliuca: So for the 2d
visit to Mr. Epstein's house, you sat in the kitchen and spoke with the chef,
right?
Carolyn: I don't remember
if it was the 2d visit or after.
Pagliuca: Show the
witness what she said in 2007.
Carolyn: The FBI didn't
ask me about Maxwell.
Pagliuca: Are you saying
the FBI limited what you could say?
Carolyn: They didn't ask
me about Maxwell.
Pagliuca: But you told
the FBI about Sarah and the Incubus tickets from Epstein.
Carolyn: Yes.
Pagliuca: And you moved from Florida to
Georgia.
Carolyn: Yes.
Pagliuca: I want to talk about the
lawsuits you filed –
Carolyn: What does that have to do with me
moving to Georgia?
After Pagliuca asks Carolyn again and
again about FBI 302s and lawsuit paragraphs, Judge Nathan declared the
afternoon break, having said she'll be addressing objection now out of the
presence of the jury.
Judge Nathan: Let's pick up the first
factual paragraph
Pagliuca: We argue the entire complaint is
inconsistent, by omission. She mentions Sarah Kellen and not Ms. Maxwell.
AUSA Maurene Comey: This was a lawsuit
against 2 defendants - there was no reason that 3d parties would be in.
Judge Nathan: I'm letting it in.
Just before the jury
comes back in, AUSA Comey asks how long the cross examination is going to be,
it's already been longer than the direct. No answer.
All rise!
Pagliuca: Do you recall
abusing drugs from the age of 13?
Carolyn: If you call pot
drugs, yes.
Pagliuca: So you went to
Georgia to detox, right?
Carolyn: No. I went to
Georgia to escape traumatic events in my life.
Paugliaca: Let's talk
about your claims of sex with Epstein. Isn't it true you used cocaine while you
were at Mr. Epstein's house?
Carolyn: No.
Carolyn: What does any of this have to do with what I'm here for
today? Ghislaine Maxwell fondled me and broke my soul –
Pagliuca: Move to strike.
Judge Nathan: Carolyn, you have to follow my rules. Jury will
disregard.
Carolyn: What does any of this have to do with what I'm here for
today? Ghislaine Maxwell fondled me and broke my soul –
Pagliuca: Move to strike.
Judge Nathan: Carolyn, you have to follow my rules. Jury will
disregard.
Pagliuca: You received these funds from the Epstein Compensation
Fund –
Carolyn: No amount of money will ever heal –
Pagliuca: Move to strike.
Judge Nathan: Jury will disregard. I instruct the witness to
comply with the rules.
Pagliuca: You claimed you saw a photograph of Ms. Maxwell
pregnant, correct?
Carolyn: Nude and pregnant. That was on multiple –
Pagliuca: No further questions.
AUSA Maurene Comey: Three minutes. Did you write your legal
complaint?
Carolyn: No (crying)
AUSA Comey: What year was it when you were 13?
Carolyn: If I do the math, yes.
AUSA Comey: Are you here to get money?
Carolyn: No, what she did is wrong, she took young girls –
Pagliuca: Objection.
AUSA Comey: No further questions.
Pagliuca: The $446,000 you got in 2009, that was gone in 2012,
correct?
Carolyn: I don't know, sir. I have children I take care of.
Pagliuca: You can't recall how you spent $446,000? You lost all
of it? No further questions.
Judge Nathan: Jurors, we're two minutes over. See you tomorrow.
Clerk: All rise!
Now government says: We will be resting this week (!)
They'd said five to six week trial - this is a big change. Now
Judge Nathan floats a charging conference on Saturday the 18th.
Judge Nathan: I have inquired and we could get Ms Maxwell here
on a Saturday, and open the overflow courtroom.
[Again: Why no listen-only call-in line, as existed even today
in US v. Steve Bannon in DC?]
Judge Nathan: I remind you, one word objections only.
Adjourned.
*Thank you to Inner City Press for the coverage*
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